Nobody hijacked this site...
but if anyone posted comments and you allowed those comments to go unchallenged, then you have only yourselves to blame.
I was not involved in the exchange of comments of which the banning referenced, but it looks like the continued exchange of differing views continues on another site that will allow unfettered exchange of ideas and opinions.
To now make comments about others, who have no capability to respond here, reflects a lack of decency that does not bode well for the poster of those comments.
I would hope that the future would bring forth positive comments, since many of you believe that is the purpose for this forum.
You took my comment to mean you were lurking, that was not the case, I said, you know who you are, because they do. Everytime someone gets banned they still check the site from other computers which is their choice, but then they take things out of context and rant about them on thier site, that is what i was referring to. These are the same people that everytime someone like Bill Brill or anyone tries to jump in, they claim that we are working together and have the same agenda....which we aren't and we don't. Again the comment was not made towards you, i was mainly making it to prevent them from creating a whole new thread I would have to go and clarify on. I still disagree with your fairness stance....they do not follow our rules of internet eddiquette they use the vulgar language and name calling, yet we are supposed to abide by some unspoken rules that we cannot bring something up about someone if they cannot defend themselves...or they need a written explanation of why they are banned from a free website that is someones hobby????? Why do they or you get to make these rules and expect everyone to follow, yet we have some simple rules we ourselves follow, and they could care less? you do not need to answer that, I am just explaining that i disagree with you on that point. I too am ready to put this all to bed, it has wasted too much of my time already.
Don,
Lee is free to say whatever he wants over there because he knows I will not post over there.
I have in fact had two accounts there that have been deactivated one way or another. I will say that both accounts were created before the requirement to provide your real name but in my opinion that is beside the point. If a user signs up with the agreed terms and then the terms change that user should be presented with the option to agree to the new terms before they are allowed to post again. That is not the case the accounts were just disabled. I respect your positions on this whole exchange and am now ready to put it to bed. There are far to many things to respond to and it's just sucking all my time and energy and I am ready to just be done with the back and forth because it never ends with Lee, Larry and Rick. They can bash me and post vulgar names referring to me and even post slander and defamation of my character. I am now done with this whole back and forth never ending saga. It is what it is and I will do my best to not refer to it again since they cannot respond to it on here.
One other thing about your suggestion of resolution to this disagreement being to link the two sites.
Thanks but no thanks I will never post a link to a site that lets the things that have been written there remain without the facts and proof to back them up. I see it as a blatant refusal to hold people accountable and makes for an unruly site where anything goes whether it's founded or not. I hold the administrators of that site personally responsible and respectfully decline that resolution.
I hope to see you at Homecoming this year and formally introduce myself. I know I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer but I do my best. 
Markus Murphy '88
PS seriously please try to understand if I do not answer any further questioning about this matter.
Cheers!
I didn't involve myself in those conversations because the forum provided for open dialogue between individuals who wished to exchange information. I thought you had full capability to post. I have since been informed by you that your capability doesn't exist.
As soon as you informed me, I made an inquiry on the miltonhersheyalumniforums pertaining to that issue and requested validation as to your capability. I further stated that if you were not capable of posting, then your name should not be brought into the conversation, since you would not have the capability to respond.
Lee informed me that to his knowledge you had the capability. I'll leave that issue to the two of you to resolve. I stand by my original point, if individuals, regardless of the website, do not have the capability to communicate on a website, then others should leave them out of discussions if issuing statements where a response would be logically warranted.
Regarding my timing, if timing is of issue, do you believe my timing is any different than Bill Brill's timing? If I am to be categorized due to the timing of my post, would Bill Brill also fall into the same category - due to the timing of his post? Just curious.
Thank you!
Sincerely,
please see below post: I didn't want to duplicate!
but in no way have I ever suggested or stated that I don't want you to be on themilt.com It was just about your timing and exclusion of any comments to the two that were banned from here and starting spewing hate over there and yet you said nothing to them.
Cheers!
Please allow me to make one statement to your post that is just plain out wrong, I do not consider myself a conspiracy theorist. Also if you are suggesting that I am lurking this site, I also believe you to be incorrect in your assumption. I do visit and read things from time to time, and occasionally I do post something. I do not use this site in a manner that should be considered as lurking.
If however, you can provide some factual information that supports your position, your information would be much appreciated or an apology would be appreciated for making such a statement.
BTW - I do not know unc, I do not ever remember meeting him, however I could have many years ago when I was in MHS, since his enrollment and mine had a short overlap.
This next comment is made in jest. If I 'gave' someone a house, it would be their house, therefore I could not kick them out regardless of how crude they behaved. I do understand the point you are making however.
My original post on this thread never was directed at Markus. I posted a generic post, using of course the word 'hijack' [which has been determined that Keoni used it in a joking manner] Markus responded to my post in defense of Keoni.
I'm willing to allow this exchange to come to a peaceful conclusion as I have previously stated. Please note that I have never challenged the action to exclude posters from this site, I have only stated that since that action has been accomplished, it would be unfair to continue commenting about the excluded individual(s), since he/they no longer have the capability to respond.
I have said many times in the past and will also reiterate again, this site is a wonderful tool for MHS alumni [and others] to exchange information and keep in touch, I am grateful for Markus and others for taking time to support this venue.
I will also offer you this option, if Markus does not wish for me to be a user of this site, please have him inform me and I will honor his request.
Thank you!
Glad to learn that you are enjoying your summer and are in good health.
Improper behavior should not be tolerated, and therefore if someone violated a policy of a website, then the proper action should be taken to remedy the situation. Violation of policy however should not be mistaken for posting comments that may make some people uncomfortable. If someone [person A] posted something and another person [pewrson B] posted a challenge to the statements, and through her/his comments [person B] performed properly without violation of posting rules, then I see no reason to take action to remedy a problem, since no violation occurred. Just because someone posts a comment that upsets one or many readers does not constitute violation of posting rules.
You know that on many occasion [on other websites] a few people posted comments about me that were not favorable to me or in many cases were not truthful. I have thick skin, so I can handle these comments, but I'm not suggesting that others absorb the same type of verbal abuse. But even in those cases, when at least one of the posters who was banned from one of the sites had comments posted about him after he was banned, I requested others not to post anything about him because he was not capable of responding, and I actually requested the individual be reinstated.
If someone violates the rules then the proper action should be taken. I have not stated [even one time] that in this case the banning was not the proper action; however at least one person who was banned has posted on a different site that he did not violate any rules and was offered no warning.
I do not plan to involve myself in a discussion on that issue. As you may have read, Markus doesn't wish to do so either when referring to the miiltonhersheyforums site; a site he claims he has been blocked from posting.
My point remains that if the proper action has been applied, then there doesn't exist the likelihood that another post will be made on this site by the person who has been banned, therefore following that logic, there will be no need to make comments about that individual if he/she has no capability to respond. What purpose is served by taking such action?
Thank you, travel safely to Homecoming!
I have been running this site for nearly three years and this is the first time I have received an email of this type from my host.
We have noticed high DOS hits to the website "themilt.com". Probably someone is trying to brute force the password.
It recommended that you change admin passwords for the website and cpanel etc to something more secure as soon as possible.
Coincidence? I think it's evident who is trying to hack themilt.com
I have been checking the logs and have starting a databse of the IP addresses of the offender(s)
It is someone that knows what they are doing because it's being routed through the NETHERLANDS, RUSSIAN FEDERATION, CHINA, REPUBLIC OF MOLDOVA, & HONG KONG so far.
agree with Bill on this one, and for ALL the conspiracy theorists out there lurking, and I know you are, I DO NOT EVEN KNOW Bill Brill......anyway it is my opinion that for some trolls, as they call them, or just obnoxious posters there is no good way to handle them, as you can see on the other site they are relentless in twisting what people say when they DO respond to the insults and innuendos and accusations. They go round and round thinking they have proved themselves right, when NO such thing has been done. Markus allowed this stuff to go on for FAR too long, in efforts to be fair and politically correct using the rules you have mentioned earlier. But they would not stop, and being that Markus is NOT paid to do this site, it is a personal hobby for him there is NO reason he has to put up with the stuff they dish out, and in efforts to finally protect the members who come on here and have NO idea what the ranters are about, he did what is necessary. If you built a home and gave it to some poor or homeless people, and they little by little destroyed it room by room defecating on the floor and pissing on the walls, tearing up the carpet in fits of anger, would you give them the thirty days notice that you would give a paying tenant? NO you would kick them out and change the locks. Markus has been more than fair, and I for one am glad he had the good sense to do what he did. Anyone who disagrees strongly with it, can go to the other site where everything is supposedly Fair and True....said with sarcasm OF course. If they truly had a problem with Markus than why did they come here? they should have left on their own if they thought the things they are saying, Shame on them, for not having the backbone to say all this stuff when it was relevant and for letting it go for so long if they believed it. The best way to show disapproval is to walk away and not come back. But they stayed as long as the site served them, and some even came back a few times using the site Murf created to hang out and do whatever they wanted, hardly the way I would act if I truly thought someone was all the things they have said.
I am told that "posted comments" were on the Derry Forum and the Hershey Forum and maybe elsewhere. Those are likely to go unchallenged. Who do you blame for that?
Don, things are going very well with me. I am again enjoying the summer at Bethany Beach. My shrink tells me that I am OK. Thanks for asking.
Don, your response “doesn’t wash!” In case you missed it – it was the improper behavior of primarily one individual that drove alums away from this website. For almost all alums, “proper behavior” was to not challenge his insults and disparaging remarks. Let’s not blame them. What about the “friends don’t let friends” approach?
I appreciate your willingness to stick up for me. Yes it's http://208.112.103.179/forums that I was referring to.
The truth of the matter is that due to the fact that both my accounts were deleted without warning or reason I just decided not to register there again and I won't. Which has been reaffirmed by the sites administrators recent unwillingness to deal with what has been posted against me that is slanderous, unfounded, unproven, and defamation of my character.
I have emailed the site admin through the contact page twice and haven't even been shown the courtesy of a short reply.
The point is even if they allowed me on I wouldn't post there so there is no need to pursue it.
I will question your capability to post on the other site if it is the miltonhersheyforums - I would like to know from you just for clarification. Upon confirmation of the site's name I will query the managers of that site. I currently only participate in two sites, so if the site is not the miltonhersheyforum or the milt, then I can not post anything myself, since I have no desire to gain access to any other site than these two fine sites.
If you do not have access to the other site [miltonhersheyforums], and the reason is because you have been intentionally banned or otherwise intentionally disabled from accessing the site, then I will post a similar comment recommending that individuals not post comments about you if you are incapable of responding to those comments on that site.
I do not condone anyone's actions that take unfair advantage of an individual.
Sincerely,
Your opening remark
"if anyone posted comments and you allowed those comments to go unchallenged, then you have only yourselves to blame"
is very troubling to me. Can you provide some additional clarification. Thanks.
You appear to be a very troubled individual - I hope all is well with you.
Thank you for supporting my statement through this very post, you will not allow anyone to post something troublesome to you, without requesting further explanation. Your timely reappearance supports my post's intended message and your coincidental arrival here receives my appreciation. You have validated my position through your post that reflects how posters should respond when they believe their forum is being hijacked.
As we all now understand - according to Markus, that Keoni was only joking about the hijack, but you have provided an excellent example on proper behavior in preventing a hijacking from occurring, if one truly believed a hijacking was occurring. I really couldn't have asked for a better way to explain. Thank you again. I hope your troubles have been calmed.
Don,
Your opening remark
"if anyone posted comments and you allowed those comments to go unchallenged, then you have only yourselves to blame"
is very troubling to me. Can you provide some additional clarification. Thanks.
Than please defend away because I have created two separate accounts since the other site was created and they have both been deleted or otherwise disabled. I only created the second one after my first one was no longer accessible to me and I have never to my knowledge broken any rule with either of the accounts. I was also never notified or given a reason I just couldn't access them anymore.
My point again remains that when someone doesn't have the capability to respond to a post, then the post should not be made. I not only endorse that type of conduct but I have actually walked the talk.
On a different forum, a poster was banned, and others began to make comments about that person; I not only requested the person to be reinstated, but also encouraged others not to make comments about the individual when he could not respond to those comments.
I have always appreciated and respected you and also remain grateful that Markus has provided a vehicle for alumni to communicate. I do not share the same views as many posters who have stated some comments about Markus, but he does have the capability to comment directly to those posts if he chooses. If he does not have that capability, then I will certainly defend him on the other forum.
I do hope that all alumni cease from making nasty and unkind comments about one another, especially if those comments are not valid. On that note, I just had a recent conversation with a classmate of mine, and in that conversation he stated that he was informed that another alumni [this alumnus is not involved in 'this' issue at all!] has been making comments that appear to be vicious. I stated that I've read those comments and didn't feel the comments were vicious. While someone might not appreciate the comments, there was much truth in the words, but others view the truth as something they wish not to have shared with others. [Again that discussion had nothing to do with this thread's issue.]
I have made my point now three times, I will not beat a deadhorse. I wish everyone a good evening and hope all have a wonderful week. Perhaps some of us will meet at Homecoming, if so, I hope it will be a good experience as I'm looking forward to celebrating friendships, dreams and successes with my many brothers and sisters. Safe travel to all!
a list of rules of manners on integrity when the ones whom you want to protect with those rules have zero integrity and manners. I do not intend to bash them on here at this time either, however to try and promote etiquette and fairness now after all the offensive things they have spewed is a little late and aimed at the wrong crowd. Keoni's joke was made in light hearted fun, and wasn't even rude. I am excited that this site is starting to feel like home again with the fun updates and joking around returning. I too think a 100th anniversary milt.com t shirt would be a great idea. Don if you choose to use those guidelines for your disputes that is great...good for you, but I don't feel obligated in the least to take every single comment made here about them and re post it over there, or anything like that. They have made it clear they do not want back on this site, and we are better for it. They have crossed so many lines with the name calling and vulgarity, I have lost all respect for every single one of them, and will not feel guilty for saying so.
don't post comments about individuals when others aren't allowed to respond to your posts. Joke or no joke!
I play by those rules even when I'm the target of personal verbal assaults, and I have been.
Another option would be for Keoni or anyone/everyone else to take their words and post them on the other website; to where this discussion seems to have migrated!
I'm not attacking, but if you think so, please provide me the words I used that would be construed to be attacking words. Thank you!
Keoni was kidding which we used to do a lot of on here and I hope comes back.
What he said pales in comparison to what is being said about me personally which you know and have read and have never said one word to them about their decency. I am not going into or participating but am also not going to put up with it here anymore so please don't try to attack here and defend those who are guilty of far more egregious actions than the JOKE Keoni made here.
Thank you for explaining your comment in more detail. I appreciate the effort to clear up that matter.
While I know the current disagreement will linger, if there is any hope for a resolution, which Lee stated he sought, then both sides will have to back away from a position based approach and consider issues over positions.
Knowing Homeboys, Milts and/or Homegirls, we all seem to be locked into our positions and are unwilling to budge from those positions. I recommend that if a real resolution is to be reached then a neutral party needs to evaluate both sides of the disagreement and help flesh out the real issues. When people dig into positions, they lose sight of the real issues at times. When both/all parties begin to understand issues and leave their positions behind, they can make huge progress towards resolving issues.
The key is not to have anyone compromise their beliefs but rather come to an agreement that will have both/all sides view the new agreement as a win/win/win and in some cases will actually increase the benefit to both/all parties, beyond their original position based argument or expectation. The problem with position based arguments is that we tend to shut down our minds and don't allow alternative solutions to filter into our thinking. I've been guilty of that for sure - especially when I would deal with my children. Hopefully I'm progressing in my thought processes.
There will be of course some walk-away from the table [cast in concrete] positions, that can not be surrenedered, but if those are left out of the discussion [maybe discussed only among the membership of each individual party], and only the real issues are brought to the table, then progress can occur. It takes great energy and a true willingness to resolve issues, but resolution can occur without compromise.
The key is to establish a the proper framework to begin understanding each parties issues that are really important. There are times when resolution can occur through a simple apology. I know we [Homeboys/Milts/Homegirls] hate to apologize. I'm not suggesting that you need to apologize - only using that as an illustration to show how simply a resolution can result. Even when an apology resolves a disagreement, it may take a long time to come to that understanding because we [people] dig our heels in deep to fortify our position based arguments. It is when we leave those position based arguments out of the discussions that we can begin to understand the real issues of an argument.
Again, I wish to reiterate my appreciation for your willingness to engage in more detailed explanations regarding your posts, I know that one problem with posting on threads remains the misinterpretation of information. I certainly did misunderstand you post and apologize for doing so. I look forward to seeing you at Homecoming.
I hope all you guys have success in resolving your issues. I'll also post a similar post of this on the miltonhersheyalumniforum.
Sincerely,