PHC document you decide for yourself

By the way, the email that you reference that I wrote to the MHSAA Board was written in 2004 – before I was on the MHSAA Board. I voiced my concerns to the Board, was not pleased with the “leadership” responses and then went to some Board meetings. A novel idea that PHC should try! The invitation is always there. Next meeting is July 19.

It was OK for me to post some of what Ric said because he posted my email.

The purpose, objectives, mission of PHC is NOT about MHSAA; rather MHS/BOM reform, as it once was before you and yours took over MHSAA. I've told you that what...101 times now? Wake up Billy-Bob. Sheesh!

You're kidding...right? You, of all people, who I believe do it more than anyone I've ever known.

At least Fouad backs his up with facts. Sheesh!

"Confidentiality: This email message is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by email and delete the original message from your email. Thank you. John F Halbleib JohnHalbleib@JohnFHalbleib.com

This email is personal and confidential and may not be reproduced in any manner without the express written permission of John F Halbleib."

I find it very interesting that you sent me an email addressing Ric Fouad's concerns. What's up with that John F. Halbleib? Are you testing the water? BTW - please answer publicly my immediate reply to your email which read -

"John,

Thank you for the information, please inform me of the names of all other recipients of this email, thank you!

Sincerely,

Don Chappell"

I see no further need to charade, I figured you wouldn't keep your own information confidential and that was why I asked the question. I see from reading this website that "unc" received either the same email - or a similar one! You are a classic, that's for sure!

Hopefully you had the courage to send your email to both Joe Berning and Ric Fouad, but just in case, may I forward a copy of your email to both Ric Fouad and Joe Berning, since you addressed both of them? Please advise!

Sincerely,

Don Chappell

I think some alumni are looking for written posts that they can use to sue other alumni. Just my opinion and I won't name names though I'm sure some know to whom I refer.

Note his words carefully.

Fouad called “Prosecute,” the alias used by this alumnus, a pro-reform alumnus. Maybe someone can share what “Prosecute” ever did, in a positive sense, for DtD, PHC, MHSAA or for the MHS students. My guess is absolutely nothing! His role as a pro-reform alumnus appears to be that of an attack dog – on many forums with many names. Yet Fouad tries to connect “a defamation action” and “pro-reform alumnus.” Nothing could be further from the truth!

Fouad said “one particularly ugly set of comments.” Nothing can be further from the truth! “Prosecute” repeatedly posted some of the most hateful and graphic comments on the pennlive Forum – over a long time.

Fouad said “an O’Brien/Gurt ally” – implying a single person. Nothing could be further from the truth! “Prosecute” attacked O’Brien, Gurt, Weller, Heist, Halbleib, Purcell, Jill, Campbell, Gould, Brill and others. “Prosecute” was not responding to anything said about him. “Prosecute” was not provoked. “Prosecute” was not baited. One has to wonder if anyone put him up to this.

“Prosecute” behaved in a cowardly manner by using an alias. Many attempts were made to get him to stop. One has to believe that others knew who “Prosecute” was. Once his identity became known, a number of his posts on the DtD forum were deleted. I personally sent him emails. It appeared that legal action was the only remedy to get him to stop.

When his trial was over and assuming that he was talking about the trial, here were “Prosecute’s” words –

EVERYTHING IS OVER WITH. DID I LOOSE ANYTHING; NO.

Still, Fouad calls “Prosecute” a pro-reform alumnus. What a joke!

Maybe so, even though I disagree; however, I have more respect for an alumnus you reference as "...a joke" than an alum who sues another over a frivilous matter, in my opinion.

Do you think it's okay for an alum to sue another in a situation like this Billy-Bob? What do others think? Was it the right thing to do?

Been a while since I've been on this website. Sorry...anyhow, as usual, Billy-Bob makes an accusation with NOTHING to back it up. What, specifically Billy-Bob, is misrepresented?

Won't be surprised if you don't answer...at least not specifically, that is.

In this case we have Fouad directly issuing a communication. There are a lot of misrepresentations in it. If one were to answer, the thread will be moved to the “Debate Club.” Is that what you want? If one were to respond to what Fouad says, is it your intention to respond on his behalf?

If the post doesn't receive a response on this specific thread, then what harm would come by having it responded to and placed in another location on this forum? The issue isn't what I want but rather "does this forum serve as a platform to discuss pertinent information that has an impact on many MHS family members?". If so, then I would hope others would take the opportunity to respond, just as you have done. The forum management will decide the proper location of the thread.

Not sure what your post is meant to imply, except to take issue with Ric's provided information. If you believe Ric has misrepresented something, please point out the misrepresentations. I'm sure Ric can reply on matters of which he has direct knowledge, I certainly do have direct knowledge of C.O.W.S., and the person (people) who distributed the recent information under the acronym COWS did not represent C.O.W.S..

I know I can always count on you to engage in lively conversation, and I give you credit for taking an interest in such matters. Thank you!

Just reposting these two prior posts to refresh your memory. You had asked me if I would respond to your posts regarding Ric Fouad. I replied and informed you that I would allow Ric Fouad to do so, therefore I have not addressed any comments you posted regarding Ric Fouad. I have posted comments to further explain certain issues regarding organizations or meetings to which I have been associated.

Thank you!

Sincerely,

You have no clue. You talk in circles that have 4 sides.

I don't have a forum, so I'm not sure why you would refer to any forum as my forum. ["If I perceive the need to discuss this thread or any thread on your forum, I'll do so."]

About the chapter mates comment. I won't feel awkward at all. I haven't said an untruth or anything that should be perceived as negative. I only stated what was said, what did occur or what did not occur. In all that I typed, what did you read that would make you think I should feel awkward?

Please be specific about the thread disruption on this forum, I'm not understanding what you mean.

I haven't interacted on the MHSAA Forum, so I can not comment on that site.

Thank you!

Sincerely,

I'm not sure what you mean by thread disruption. Please explain.

Regarding your request to contact the Homestead Chapter membership, I'm certain that as soon as I typed the message, the members were notified, but if you feel the need to reiterate my message to them, please feel free to contact the Homestead Chapter membership - I'm sure they would appreciate your kindness. [Thanks!]

By the way, if you wish to discuss the contents of this thread in an open environment, please try using the Milton Hershey Forums website. Thanks again!

Sincerely,

Don,
The concept of thread disruption is not new. I intended to provide more examples of Fouad misrepresentations. I will communicate to alumni in ways other than this “Debate Club.” I think that the members of this Forum will be supportive of that decision.

If you want me to let the Homestead folks know that they were missed or that they should have attended, let me know.

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I see that there were only a grand total of 27 who showed up to hear Johnny O'Brien speak -- I wonder what this signifies?

Also, I notice that the Chapter Vice President (Shannon Coughlin) and Past President (John O'Toole), were both ABSENT, and Chris Cook had NO REPORT to give.

What's happening at the CLUBHOUSE?? -- Maybe for the next meeting they can lure a bigger crowd with some catered MHS food!

I know, it's all Ric Fouad's fault that morale is so low -- after all -- Fouad, Rice, Waters, and Berning destroyed all the hard work of Halbleib, Heist & Hanawalt in re-establishing alumni relations. Oh wait! That was done BEFORE the groveling and boot-licking began. Sorry!

Even though MHSAA was despised under the previous leadership, at least we had President (Jerry Waters) on the Presidential search committee. They might have hated us, but at least we had some respect. All the current leadership has is a bunch of boot-licking apologists who don't deserve an ounce of respect, as evidenced in recent events. They can't even get a pat on the back anymore!

I also find it interesting that O'Brien had "minimal input" into the Presidential search process, and MHSAA had ZERO input. This is very surprising, since Heist-Halbleib-Hanawalt (H-H-H) spent the last three years apologizing, boot licking, bending over, and sucking up to the MHS-BOM.

And all they ended up with was a mouthful of bitter liquid for their efforts!
NO respect, NO trust, NO relationship, NO invitation to participate, NO seat at any table, NO seat on the BOM -- NOTHING!

I guess when you turn yourself into a traitorous dirty whore, you get treated like a traitorous dirty whore! Let that be a lesson to the future leaders of MHSAA!

JWB

That was quick,

and can't find them anywhere.

I created a new content type called "FYI" where you can post something and comments are disabled. As long as the rules are followed then it will not be "banished" to the "Debate Club"

Menu - create - FYI

You got this sent to the debate club just like you said. Again another banishment for no reason to debate club Washington, DC. The conversations were civil. No name calling. Just no seeing eye to eye. This is just plan wrong. This site isn't owned or operated by MHS or MHSAA so why can't any negitives be expressed?

It isn't even worth answering when no one will read it so as far as I am concerned this thread is gone, deleted.

Two out of three ...how about answering the third question please - thanks for providing the anwswers to the other two.

I know I am not one of those people b/c he never once told me what to say or how to think and you should know by now I am a free spirited person who can not be manipulated. I make my judgements on facts and words people themselves say. If you like me or not, You will always know where I stand and if I am wrong about something I will admit it and either retract or apologize. I see no one else do that on any forum.

being included. You say it, then you should stand by it.

and he expects privacy and confidentiality for an unsolicited e-mail and then Brill posts a e-mail. I agree that all e-mails are public and you should be held accountable for your words. Halbleib (forever the bully lawyer) doesn't like it b/c it proves the allegations against him.

I find Ric's emails to be just fine. He finds out your brother is running to you and then you to Johnny O. I wouldn't trust either of you. I do not see how Ric having faith in Johnny O. and then losing it to be wrong in anyway. You judge someone by their deeds. His deeds didn't past the mustard so the trust is gone.

I didn't come back to the Hershey fold until just after the February e-mail. I found MHSAA.org and noticed some friction among alumni. I kept reading Rics pleas for MHSAA to stay united, but i also kept reading the VOR attacking viciously Ric, Jerry and John Rice. Ric was always respectful and gave facts to back his stance even while being attacks. Finally Ric had enough as one person, not an alumnus, posted Ric's home address and Pictures of his home in NYC. Calling him names and other disgusting things. Ric started to respond in kind, fighting fire with fire. That made me a supporter of Ric's and the Deed of Trust. I had no real knowledge of the home at that time other then the forum posts and the cruel, disgusting tasteless posts directed at Ric and the others guided me in the right direction. I didn't and still don't personally know any of these alumni, but I know where I stand and it "ISN"T FOR THE IMPOSTORS IN POWER NOW AT MHSAA"

to reply. I will allow him to do so. Interesting though looking at the dates on your response. Do those dates reflect the interim [prior to] the permanent appointment of the current MHS President? Just curious. When did the shredding of the July 31st Agreement occur? What was the chronological dating and order of the shredding of that document and the permanent appointment of the current MHS President?

Thanks for the information.

Fouad states the following:
“…certain alumni took up Johnny’s and Pete’s anti-reform cause. For an example of the dangerous emotionalism incited by this demagoguery on the part of an alumnus who thereafter amplified the malice through his own, still ongoing smear campaign,”

The example given is an email that I sent to the entire Board on 2/11/04. It is called “Breaks Your Heart” and it is one of the exhibits that Fouad used in his latest hate message. In that email, among other things, I suggested the following:

“Can we have a moratorium on attacking President O’Brien? Can we be supportive of the school? Can we work together with the school?”

In all cases “we” meant MHSAA.

My brother Bob was the Alumnus of the Year in 2002 – the same year that Fouad was MHSAA President. They exchanged emails.

In an email dated 1/18/04 Ric said the following to my brother:
“The spirit and focus at the school have changed dramatically for the better. This cannot be emphasized enough.”

“It's no secret Bob that in these matters, alumni such as yourself are pivotal in shaping opinion and maintaining the integrity of the Association --which, if I may say, is among the reasons that I want information to keep flowing to you from us.”

In an email dated 2/4/04 Ric said the following to my brother:
“Or to return to your phrase, i.e., WIN (What's Important Now), I would respectfully suggest Bob that it is not merely what's important now: the now, in the able hands of the O'Brien administration, is absolutely secure. Rather it is WIF: "What's Important Forever?" This part is not only far from secure, but has already been put right back on the 58-year path of asset misdirection that got us here in the first place. Or, to borrow from the world of political commentary, politicians think of the next election, statesmen of future generations: MHSAA has thought of the now, and is thrilled with the current
MHS direction; but we must equally concern ourselves with future generations, lest we betray our duties to the Hersheys' core mission where it is going to have its greatest impact and on the largest number of children -- we must think of the forever too.”

So, by February 4, 2004, Fouad was saying:

“The spirit and focus at the school have changed dramatically for the better”

“…the now, in the able hands of the O'Brien administration, is absolutely secure. “

“MHSAA has thought of the now, and is thrilled with the current MHS direction”

My February 11, 2004 request - just one week later - to support O’Brien was completely in agreement to what Fouad had said. And Fouad was aware that my brother was sharing information with me! “Changed dramatically”, “absolutely secure”, “able hands”, “thrilled” – sounds to me like high fives all around.

I sent an email to then President John Rice suggesting that “if the MHSAA clearly gives President O’Brien their support, and pledges to cooperate with the School, probably everyone will be in a position to address the BOM Conflict of Interest concerns.” We were in an enviable position to be able to have MHS and MHSAA team together since “one of our own” was running MHS. To give O’Brien the support of MHSAA was a no-brainer! The “leadership” of MHSAA was already euphoric – or so I thought.

I didn’t expect a “thank you” from the “leadership” of MHSAA for my suggestion. My request made perfect sense to me. Nobody suggested that I was hysterical – I don’t think anyone from the MHSAA Board responded to my email and request. A long time later Fouad needed to call me hysterical – in order to support his own personal agenda. All you have to do is compare what he said with what I said!

There is some humor - Fouad has called me a “bootlicker.” Ha! Ha!

There is much more to add to this misrepresentation – enough for now!

Fouad must think we are all dullards and easily manipulated!

yawn

for posting the information. I'm wondering how many readers will comment since the information might be viewed as containing controversial matter.

I found much of the information beneficial in understanding some of the past. I know for me, it helped explain some confusing past actions on the part of others.

I also believe it helps clarify that the Coalition of Worried Supports (C.O.W.S.) had no part in the recent distribution of literature that comments poorly on some alumni. I was a former co-chair [or VP - depending how you might want to view the position) of the now defunct coalition. COWS is not the same group and I'm not sure what the acronym stands for these days. Perhaps someone was trying to be deceitful in sending out such literature. One thing for sure, I always use my own name when I send out information, and so did the other co-chairs of C.O.W.S..