I have always stated
orpans should always come first. Why, B/C our founder and benefactor said it. If you are unable to fill all needed spots then children for broken impoverished homes with little supervision or love should be the only other ones excepted. Less then 20% of students are orphans. That shows a poor job the school is doing to follow our founders "INSTRUCTIONS".
The reason for the high attrition rate is b/c the parents come back and take their kids out. I understand that, they are their kids, but MHS is not a boarding school or foster parents. Orphans have no where else to go and Mr. Hershey wanted to give orphans a home to grow and thrive in until they begin their lives after school.
I have taken a lot of heat for this stance and for calling younger Milts "apathetic" to our benefactors dream and his DOT. I bet you dollars to donuts that most Milts do not even know what the DOT says.
Amen Lee
though even "thanks" is not necessary to us. We do what we do solely as a committed obligation for what our benefactor did for us and, more importantly, needy children moving forward. Mr. Hershey wanted the use of his inheritance to benefit as many needy children as possible...something not ever done.
Permit me to share a paragraph and quote from Mr. Hershey's personal physician, Dr. Herman H. Hostetter:
"...Mr Hershey was greatly concerned about the future of the organization , the town and its people. Mr. Hershey said: "If the wrong people or organization get control, they can spend or give away more money in a short time than I have made in my life, to build monuments unto themselves, for their own financial gains, ego and recognition - - whose heads would swell and hearts would shrink, who would gve to those who had plenty and take away from those who had little or none." He was worried what might happen to the Milton Hershey School and the Schools of Derry Township."
Earlier, in his booklet, Dr. Hostetter wrote:
"There are those who practice sin in secret, but Mr. Hershey reversed the process. He was one of the rare few who practiced virtue in secret. He went to extraordinary length to hide his benevolence, especially from those who would benefit through him. How different today when their benefactor's money is used to erect monuments unto themselves and for their own honor and glory. Fill their coffers to overflowing. May God have mercy on their soul."
Is it reasonable to think this might apply to members of the BOM who pay themselves in excess of $100,000 to more than $400,000 for their part-time job...along with O'Brien making what he does while he and Gurt are on display at the Hershey Museum?
what Lee, Ric, the late John Rice and many others are doing with PHC is not only noble and righteous, but needed more now then ever. These great alumni are the only true crusaders for our beloved founder and his dieing wishes as stated in the DOT.
I appreciate what you and others do!
My question to you is, what have you been doing to help out the school for all of these years since you graduated?
Contributions, house-parenting...just wondering?
I can see that you are angry, but you love children so much...I was just confused as to why you wouldn't want a child to receive the benefits that you and I were both blessed with by attending MHS?
I think Mr. Hershey, is proud of his school....the good and the bad...and I also think that given the current state of our country, our children need all the help that they can get. That is what he stood for.
God bless
If me...I'll answer your questions the best I can.
Basically, from the year I graduated, 1968 until 2000 I did very little...if anything. Like many who graduated from he "home", I had a career and a family that took up nearly all my time. Plus, I just assumed that all was going well at MHS. Rick Francis, who many know, was one of my best friends. He and I were together in "Business" and graduated together. He spent about a month of our first two summers following graduation with me and my best friend in Wildwood, NJ. Rick and I always stayed in touch with one another.
About the time Lepley came on Board, Rick expressed a LOT of concerns to me about the changes that were going on under the "21st Century" game plan. Quite frankly, it really didn't bother me because I just figured Rick wasn't able to accept change. I was wrong.
In the year 2000 Lepley called me up at my office and, in a conference call where he was surrounded by others, told me I was selected as the 2000 Career Achievement Award honoree. I was very honored and humbled by this recognition. During my career I received the highest awards given, including the Charles R. Hook Award, given to the most outstanding JA professional in the country. I'm sharing that with you because the Career Achievement Award meant more to me.
When I showed up for the Senior Alumni Dinner where the award was presented I somehow felt something was wrong. That's when I started doing a TON of research...OF FACTS!! Not long after I attended the Rally and it was clear nearly all alumni were united in wanting BOM/MHS reform...and Lepley tossed. The latter happened but not reform. We all supported O'Brien's run for the replacement of Lepley and when he got the job, based on his total committment to BOM/MHS reform, I felt all was headed back on the right track of meeting the mission of our benefactor. In short order, sad to say, O'Brien did his now infamous "180". The end result was a civil war between alumni.
Is it really hard to understand which side supported O'Brien and which didn't? Not if you know the particulars and the facts. Again...we were nearly all in support of MHS/BOM reform. O'Brien did his "180" which meant he opted out of doing what was necessary for BOM/MHS reform. Who supported him? Those who were working for him or thought they could get a job with him...along with those who were friends with him.
The rest of us stayed tied to our reform objective. It's really quite that simple. So...who would you support....those who reversed themselves due, primarily, to personal and self-serving interests or those who maintained the committment to set MHS back to the way our founder wanted?
Yes...I did do a number of contributions for MHSAA and MHS. Insofar as MHSAA I took on the task of mailing out thousands of letters and post cards at their request. As for MHS...I became a "mentor". My proudest one was with a certain individual who I'll not name as I'm afraid he'd be attacked by a few. Anyhow...during my mentorship of him he was going to seek a law degree. He needed financial help. He asked me if I knew a certain someone, from a well known law firm, that was going to be the Chairperson of their scholarship selection committee. I told him I knew the person very well...and, I did. Long story short, while I'm sure my dogged push in bugging the Chairperson in selecting this individual, in the end, because of his tremendous success, he got the scholarship which covered ALL his education/room/board costs...PLUS...they used him as a summer employee. In fact, last I knew, he was working there full time following graduation several years ago.
Am I "angry"? Somewhat but mostly because of the actions taken by others in trying to stop those of us who are trying so hard to bring about MHS/BOM reform. I'll not go into detail but, as many already know, I was threatened...as was my family by anonymous individuals. Several were actually sued too. Why would you even think I wouldn't want a "...child to receive the benefits that you and I were both blessed with by attending MHS"? We have no self-serving interests as do those against us so why would you even think such a thing? I've said repeatedly, redundantly and over and over that our interest is returning MHS to the mission of our founder. It was what HE created. After all, when one dies and leaves a Deed to be obeyed it's the LAW!! More importantly, Mr. Hershey wanted ALL of his donated land and ALL of his donated monies to go strictly to needy children which is EXACTLY what we support. Instead, lands have been taken away and so has plenty of money and given to others...NOT needy children.
My responsive question to you is that since you now know this to be true, can you not now understand why some of us are doing all we can to support our benefactor who can no longer do it himself since he's not here?
And...if you REALLY think "...our children need all the help that they can get" then why not support the actions of those us trying to make that happen as Mr. Hershey wanted? Or...do you think, for example, that it's okay for members of a Board of a non-profit organization to be paid...and to be paid HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ANNUALLY??? Do you think it's "okay" that 500 acres of MHS land for needy children was given away, along with $50,000,000 plus, to start a medical center? (HINT: Read Mr. Hershey's physician's booklet which says that our founder was once asked if he wanted a medical center in Hershey and his answer was "...never".)
I could go on and on yet I've given you our website and the "sticky's" to read in catching up. I hope you do.
This was addressed to Larry. I will surely visit the website you posted and I do appreciate you opinion and comments on this subject. We may not agree on everything but you do bring up some valid points. I am not saying that everything is going as we all might have hoped, or even by the wishes of Mr Hershey himself. What I am saying is that I have hope that the school will continue to produce outstanding members of society as the school has been doing for a countless number of years. I would hate to se that gone!
I hope you have a great day, and I am sure we shall speak again, once I read the website you gave me
My question to you is, what have you been doing to help out the school for all of these years since you graduated?
Contributions, house-parenting...just wondering?
I can see that you are angry, but you love children so much...I was just confused as to why you wouldn't want a child to receive the benefits that you and I were both blessed with by attending MHS?
I think Mr. Hershey, is proud of his school....the good and the bad...and I also think that given the current state of our country, our children need all the help that they can get. That is what he stood for.
God bless
If me...I'll answer your questions the best I can.
Basically, from the year I graduated, 1968 until 2000 I did very little...if anything. Like many who graduated from he "home", I had a career and a family that took up nearly all my time. Plus, I just assumed that all was going well at MHS. Rick Francis, who many know, was one of my best friends. He and I were together in "Business" and graduated together. He spent about a month of our first two summers following graduation with me and my best friend in Wildwood, NJ. Rick and I always stayed in touch with one another.
About the time Lepley came on Board, Rick expressed a LOT of concerns to me about the changes that were going on under the "21st Century" game plan. Quite frankly, it really didn't bother me because I just figured Rick wasn't able to accept change. I was wrong.
In the year 2000 Lepley called me up at my office and, in a conference call where he was surrounded by others, told me I was selected as the 2000 Career Achievement Award honoree. I was very honored and humbled by this recognition. During my career I received the highest awards given, including the Charles R. Hook Award, given to the most outstanding JA professional in the country. I'm sharing that with you because the Career Achievement Award meant more to me.
When I showed up for the Senior Alumni Dinner where the award was presented I somehow felt something was wrong. That's when I started doing a TON of research...OF FACTS!! Not long after I attended the Rally and it was clear nearly all alumni were united in wanting BOM/MHS reform...and Lepley tossed. The latter happened but not reform. We all supported O'Brien's run for the replacement of Lepley and when he got the job, based on his total committment to BOM/MHS reform, I felt all was headed back on the right track of meeting the mission of our benefactor. In short order, sad to say, O'Brien did his now infamous "180". The end result was a civil war between alumni.
Is it really hard to understand which side supported O'Brien and which didn't? Not if you know the particulars and the facts. Again...we were nearly all in support of MHS/BOM reform. O'Brien did his "180" which meant he opted out of doing what was necessary for BOM/MHS reform. Who supported him? Those who were working for him or thought they could get a job with him...along with those who were friends with him.
The rest of us stayed tied to our reform objective. It's really quite that simple. So...who would you support....those who reversed themselves due, primarily, to personal and self-serving interests or those who maintained the committment to set MHS back to the way our founder wanted?
Yes...I did do a number of contributions for MHSAA and MHS. Insofar as MHSAA I took on the task of mailing out thousands of letters and post cards at their request. As for MHS...I became a "mentor". My proudest one was with a certain individual who I'll not name as I'm afraid he'd be attacked by a few. Anyhow...during my mentorship of him he was going to seek a law degree. He needed financial help. He asked me if I knew a certain someone, from a well known law firm, that was going to be the Chairperson of their scholarship selection committee. I told him I knew the person very well...and, I did. Long story short, while I'm sure my dogged push in bugging the Chairperson in selecting this individual, in the end, because of his tremendous success, he got the scholarship which covered ALL his education/room/board costs...PLUS...they used him as a summer employee. In fact, last I knew, he was working there full time following graduation several years ago.
Am I "angry"? Somewhat but mostly because of the actions taken by others in trying to stop those of us who are trying so hard to bring about MHS/BOM reform. I'll not go into detail but, as many already know, I was threatened...as was my family by anonymous individuals. Several were actually sued too. Why would you even think I wouldn't want a "...child to receive the benefits that you and I were both blessed with by attending MHS"? We have no self-serving interests as do those against us so why would you even think such a thing? I've said repeatedly, redundantly and over and over that our interest is returning MHS to the mission of our founder. It was what HE created. After all, when one dies and leaves a Deed to be obeyed it's the LAW!! More importantly, Mr. Hershey wanted ALL of his donated land and ALL of his donated monies to go strictly to needy children which is EXACTLY what we support. Instead, lands have been taken away and so has plenty of money and given to others...NOT needy children.
My responsive question to you is that since you now know this to be true, can you not now understand why some of us are doing all we can to support our benefactor who can no longer do it himself since he's not here?
And...if you REALLY think "...our children need all the help that they can get" then why not support the actions of those us trying to make that happen as Mr. Hershey wanted? Or...do you think, for example, that it's okay for members of a Board of a non-profit organization to be paid...and to be paid HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ANNUALLY??? Do you think it's "okay" that 500 acres of MHS land for needy children was given away, along with $50,000,000 plus, to start a medical center? (HINT: Read Mr. Hershey's physician's booklet which says that our founder was once asked if he wanted a medical center in Hershey and his answer was "...never".)
I could go on and on yet I've given you our website and the "sticky's" to read in catching up. I hope you do.
I know what your take is on how Milton Hershey is run...and I haven't really been paying close attention to this thread up till now..but now, I am all eyes.
My question to you is, what have you been doing to help out the school for all of these years since you graduated?
Contributions, house-parenting...just wondering?
I can see that you are angry, but you love children so much...I was just confused as to why you wouldn't want a child to receive the benefits that you and I were both blessed with by attending MHS?
I think Mr. Hershey, is proud of his school....the good and the bad...and I also think that given the current state of our country, our children need all the help that they can get. That is what he stood for.
God bless
I disagreed with Moe's criticism of Bush too. After all, we've had no more 9/11's and Bush should get credit for it.
Ah, where to start with this.....How do you "credit" a negative? Bush managed to put his pants on by himself every day. Does he also get credit for that? Bush didn't vomit in any foreign dignitaries lap. Credit for that as well? The sun rose every day on his watch. Let's jump him past Lincoln for that one!
I think when you look at any leader like Bush, it's best to do a Benjamin Franklin on him. Get the piece of paper, draw the "T" at the top, and then list the Pro points down one side and the Cons down the other. As someone of great intelligence, you CANNOT tell me, with a straight face, that the con side of the ledger does not FAR outstrip the pro side. You simply cannot justify it with any type of logical argument and say he was good for the country. He was an abject disaster. One of the reasons Obama will have such a difficult time for four years is that he has yeoman's work to do just to get the country back to where it was BEFORE George Bush.
By the way, the lack of a large scale foreign terror attack before 9/11 has to go in the "pro" column of Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, and Carter too, correct? Over 100 days under Obama and no 9/11, literally and figuratively. Better give him kudos as well.
Some of what you say makes sense though, bottom line, I still think Bush deserves credit for stopping terrorists. You may recall he was a new President when 9/11 came hit us. His priority HAD to change from whatever it was to national security in order to insure safety and reduce stress. You'll recall that after 9/11 the market was closed until 9/18...and dropped a whopping 684 points or 7.1% that day and by week's end dropped a total of 1370 or 14.3%. It took two years for the market to recover and by the end of 2003 was over 10,000. That, in my opinion, was due to people feeling secure again.
Point is...Bush's return to safety effected the market and most lives to a return of security.
And yet, as noted again and again, he failed to stop the liberal spending of giveaway entitlement programs. As the President he was the leader ad screwed up by not stopping them. Dodd/Frank should NEVER been allowed to do what they did in the banking/mortgage markets...all which led to our collapse.
And so, I feel that Bush did poorly because when our economy is sound, so is most other things.
And please, don't give Obama credit for national security. As Biden said before the elections, the liklihood of his being tested is fairly certain. That was stupid of Joe to say that but, then again, comments like that are normal for him. Still, I tend to agree. That Obama would bow to the Saudi Arabian king was moronic and indicated to me that he would be easy pickins.
Nonetheless, Obama's financial management WILL take us down the tubes. I hope I'm wrong yet his actions are deja vu of Jimmy Diddy...the worst ever.
has me aggravated and its only 8:30 am.
1/20 to 9/11 = 100 days. 
100 days means crap. The Obamanation started on day 1.
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By the way, the lack of a large scale foreign terror attack before 9/11 has to go in the "pro" column of Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, and Carter too, correct? Over 100 days under Obama and no 9/11, literally and figuratively. Better give him kudos as well.
Fri, 05/08/2009 - 6:51am
I disagreed with Moe's criticism of Bush too. After all, we've had no more 9/11's and Bush should get credit for it.
Ah, where to start with this.....How do you "credit" a negative? Bush managed to put his pants on by himself every day. Does he also get credit for that? Bush didn't vomit in any foreign dignitaries lap. Credit for that as well? The sun rose every day on his watch. Let's jump him past Lincoln for that one!
I think when you look at any leader like Bush, it's best to do a Benjamin Franklin on him. Get the piece of paper, draw the "T" at the top, and then list the Pro points down one side and the Cons down the other. As someone of great intelligence, you CANNOT tell me, with a straight face, that the con side of the ledger does not FAR outstrip the pro side. You simply cannot justify it with any type of logical argument and say he was good for the country. He was an abject disaster. One of the reasons Obama will have such a difficult time for four years is that he has yeoman's work to do just to get the country back to where it was BEFORE George Bush.
By the way, the lack of a large scale foreign terror attack before 9/11 has to go in the "pro" column of Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, and Carter too, correct? Over 100 days under Obama and no 9/11, literally and figuratively. Better give him kudos as well.
I think you are a centrist Mike and bitter b/c Bush made some stupid economic decisions. So now you attack him for everything. The War on Terror was the right thing to do and the one mistake Bush made was to not start the surge 2 years before he did.
Why do guns and the Bible have to be the example. I am an agnostic, but love guns.
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I am not 100% sure what I am at this point. I will say that probably the best description is that I am an anti-Democrat, if that makes any sense. I disagree with using any of the three federal branches to rewrite and/or enforce new standards of morality, with examples being gay marriage and abortion. I also disagree with that party's "America is bad" philosophy when it comes to any type of international disagreement. And it goes without saying that I am not a fan of their unfettered use of tax monies to support nonsensical social programs and offensive brands of art. So that probably makes me a conservative.
That being said, the reason guns and the Bible have to be the example is because, in much the same way that the Democratic party is run by labor and all of the groups looking for their "rights," the Republican party sold it's soul to the Bible Belt and the NRA in order to get George Bush elected. Why do you think Bush governed Texas as a moderate, centrist Republican and then so overtly courted the far right during his two runs for the presidency? At this point, no Republican can be elected President unless he courts the "they're coming to take my guns" people, as well as securing the overtly religious.
Did you know that gun sales are absolutely SOARING in this country? Know why? Because the "leaders" of the Republican party have convinced what's left of their constituency that Obama's coming to take their weapons away. And God forbid they should not be able to purchase an assault rifle to shoot at squirrels.
though I doubt it. Type in "Subject"...type in "comment"...hit "post comment".
So what could be the error?
it is operator error?
EDIT: I'm glad I did a "copy" of the above because the same thing happened again. The third time it worked.
I am sure about that. Maybe it's because others don't mention it but you seem to have this happen to you often. :noway:
Not a "conspiracy".
No one is paranoid.
EDIT: I'm glad I did a "copy" of the above because the same thing happened again. The third time it worked.
I am sure about that. Maybe it's because others don't mention it but you seem to have this happen to you often. 
Though I'm sure it was a software default.
Anyhow...what I said was that I've known Moe for a number of years now...mostly via the internet forums. I've always respected him for his loyalty, his intelligence, his sense of humor, his directness, his pragmatic logic and common sense. Yes, I did have some concerns about some of his remarks over the past year yet I'm sure he was under a tremendous amount of stress in doing the best he could for his kids. In today's world of legal/political correctness it isn't easy.
Look...I'm a born-again, fundamentalist Christian. I don't like guns but so what? After all, the founding fathers said they were a-okay so that's that...although I really don't understand the need for homeowners to have machine guns.
I disagreed with Moe's criticism of Bush too. After all, we've had no more 9/11's and Bush should get credit for it. Granted, as I've said many times before, Bush sucked by not standing up against the liberal Dems and allowed them to spend, spend, spend when they gained control of Congress again.
Bottom line is this...conservative politics should focus most on the economy because the growth of it increases the quality of life for most. That said, I was not a fan of McCain though I'd vote for him anytime over the likes of Obama, Hillary, Biden, Dodd and that faggot Frank. As I see it, I believe Obama will ruin our country far worse than Carter did. Soon inflation will skyrocket...gas prices will too (they've gone up 20 cents a gallon in just the past two days)...mortgage rates will balloon...unemployment will go up far more. The end result will be Obama gone and hopefully replaced by a common sensical Reagan-like conservative. If, however, the above is wrong then Obama will easily win again no matter who runs against him.
Nonetheless, conservatives need to focus mostly on the economy.
EDIT: I'm glad I did a "copy" of the above because the same thing happened again. The third time it worked.
Quotes from Mike:
I am free to once again be the scourge of the the militant right wing(nuts).
Who in the Rep. party resembles this remark above?
Larry, again, I'm not a liberal. I'm a discontented conservative, unhappy with the hijacking of the party by the radical right "gun in one hand, Bible in the other" folks.
I think you are a centrist Mike and bitter b/c Bush made some stupid economic decisions. So now you attack him for everything. The War on Terror was the right thing to do and the one mistake Bush made was to not start the surge 2 years before he did.
Why do guns and the Bible have to be the example. I am an agnostic, but love guns.
As far as the jail remark, I simply pointed out that you'd not been attacked prior to attacking. Truth in advertising.
I thought I answered that. The attack remark was for Brill. Did you take the jail, warden remarks as anything other then satire?
I hope you come out of this on top. Nothing is more important then the kids. They need their dad just like they need their mom.
Either way, I am a much less angry person today (and hopefully going forward).
Good for you...truly so...just wish I could say the same.
Regardless of how it works out, I am at peace. I did what I saw was right, presented the right type of slander free case that focused only on my kids, and comported myself accordingly. I can live with whatever comes because I did not stray from what I saw as in the best interests of my children. That being said, if lying under oath is a sin, I hope a few people are at confession today.
Either way, I am a much less angry person today (and hopefully going forward).
I hope all worked out in the best interests of YOU and your children in court. Personally, due primarily to matters pertaining to MHS, I now see the "law" and what is "right" as contradictory.
I haven't posted for months because I've taken the time to prepare for a week long child custody case. Now that I don't have to worry about my OPINIONS being reported as fact in a court of law, I am free to once again be the scourge of the the militant right wing(nuts).
Larry, again, I'm not a liberal. I'm a discontented conservative, unhappy with the hijacking of the party by the radical right "gun in one hand, Bible in the other" folks.
As far as the jail remark, I simply pointed out that you'd not been attacked prior to attacking. Truth in advertising.
"I only attack after I have been attacked. Isn't that civil?"
This quote was for Brill. I figured even you would know that Mike.
"Uhh, you said it to me. I'm not clear on what "attack" I ignited, other than to question your Militia Man, Timothy McVeigh-like politics."
I enjoy our political debates even though you are a liberal Mike. Especially your contorted, misinformed and liberal analogies. 
You didn't take it as satire? You hadn't made a post in many months, hence the years in jail remark. It didn't seem to bother you. I sure thought you had a sense of humor. I guess my not being PC is a problem to you too, Mike? Nobody breaks balls more then you!
At the end of that 3 sentence statement there were 2 faces. 
Those two. If that isn't showing I am just breaking balls then sorry for the misinterpretation.
Here is the link, see for yourself.
I only attack after I have been attacked. Isn't that civil?
“Served your prison time already? I thought you got 5 years. Did you give the warden a BJ?”
Larry is easily agitated and will quickly desecrate or denigrate any thread.
Uhh, you said it to me. I'm not clear on what "attack" I ignited, other than to question your Militia Man, Timothy McVeigh-like politics.
"Larry is easily agitated and will quickly desecrate or denigrate any thread."
It is true. Brill will answer no questions or deflect away from the questions whenever possible so I get agitated and tell it like it is. So Brill throws in this quote from me, out of context, but I said it and meant it.
"On another website Larry engages a alumnus in a conversation and then, "out of the blue" says,
“Served your prison time already? I thought you got 5 years. Did you give the warden a BJ?”
I believe this alumnus was convicted of child sexual abuse, but I can't remember if this quote was for that person. He was trivializing his conviction. Getting old clouds my memory about this quote. Tell me where it is Brill to refresh my mind? I don't write down everything you have said since 2003.
He searched another site to come up with that but can't defend himself for the disgraceful treatment of The Rice family and his fellow alumni. No guts and if you call doing that civil, then I am not civil. You are a disgrace Brill and I am embarrassed to have to let all alumni know, but you want it that way by your actions.
Out of context but I said it and am still laughing. Pretty witty I'd say. I think I painted a picture with that quote.
I only attack after I have been attacked. Isn't that civil?
“Served your prison time already? I thought you got 5 years. Did you give the warden a BJ?”
Larry is easily agitated and will quickly desecrate or denigrate any thread.
Quite the opposite. I tried for a week to finely get you to post and answer questions. Don't run now as you haven't answered anything yet, just made posts. Don't feel bad Brill you are not alone. Many others have been in your losing position. Thanks again for making our posts shine the bright light of truth. You remind me of the Energizer Bunny. Keep the energy flowing.
"Ring True"
Larry
I assume that you genuinely believe that my posts have been so helpful in making your and Lee’s post “ring true.” ! Given that, it seems to me that I should stop posting. Do you agree?
The Executive Committee acts as the Board. Been that way for a long time. But's that another Chapter to another story.
So will this boards vote be in the next minutes? Did you vote or just guess? Do you speak for all members? Civility is over rated. You pretend to be civil and I find your writing repulsive, deceitful and self indulgent. I don't sit and try to make the words dance and make pictures. I have no time for that. I tell you the truth and do it with the least amount of words possible.
Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck took 6 pages to describe a turtle crossing the road. I could do it in 1 sentence. "The damn reptile crossed the road". I will give Brill the same treatment. "Brill you are a blatant liar AND/OR manipulator of facts."
Larry
I assume that you genuinely believe that my posts have been so helpful in making your and Lee’s post “ring true.” 
! Given that, it seems to me that I should stop posting. Do you agree?
Larry is easily agitated and will quickly desecrate or denigrate any thread.
I suppose you're entitled to your opinion Billy-Bob yet inserting your name over Larry's makes far more sense to me...in my opinion.
So you're blaming this on Larry rather than properly overseeing posts made and removing the abusive ones? You're right..."That would not be fair to anyone."
On another website Larry engages a alumnus in a conversation and then, "out of the blue" says,
“Served your prison time already? I thought you got 5 years. Did you give the warden a BJ?”
Larry is easily agitated and will quickly desecrate or denigrate any thread.
you are oblivious to what is said about you and your pals on the BOD of MHSAA. Ignoring the truth will not make it go away. Since you have no defense, why post the garbage and double talk you do?
"There are always those who have no answers so they deflect the truth by trying to put down the poster". Brill, you have been so helpful in making my and Lee's post ring true. I have received many PMs backing my position, but not one in your corner. Keep posting Brill. The more you write the better we look. Your ignorant, elitist and embarrassing posts prove out point.
Thank you brother Brill.
Based on what Larry wrote and the history of Larry’s uncivil writings, there is a better then even chance that his remarks would trigger a controversy. That would not be fair to anyone. Board’s choice.
Key word..."SEEM" which strikes me as an assumption on your part Billy-Bob. So are you saying that you're not even giving alumni the opportunity to express their thankful, grateful appreciation for all done by John Rice? You're not giving them the opportunity to express their grief and sadness to John's family? You're not allowing this publicly but would allow it in your hidden Debate Club?
If so, despicable...if not, allow alumni to publicly express their gratitude to JR.
JR was a great, dedicated individual to the true mission of our founder.
However, there is always room for improvement. And there are always those who can do it better. And there are those who will complain no matter what is done. Isn't it wonderful that we live in a democracy. Larry, I am counting on you to be a change agent.
I wanted to post my condolences to his family, a Milton Hershey Family and to a man who served us all unselfishly. You "TOOK" that away from his family and from John. Nobody wants to debate his passing!!!!! Your disgusting display of personal politics is a disgrace. MHSAA has been a disgrace on how they handled this. It was a conscience decision to not allow comments when nothing but kind words would have been given. This is the only alumnus you did this too. You and the members of MHSAA who made this decision are hateful and low-life partisans with no Heart or Soul.
Debate Club
Larry, if any thread is marked “no comments” you can copy that thread into the “Debate Club” and make all the comments you want to. Try it out, make your remarks and let’s see what happens. You seem to want to debate the presidency of John Rice. That discussion belongs in the “Debate Club.”
Now you are sounding like Joe Biden - what you said and what you meant to say.
Information shared by PHC is specific to the mission of MHS/BOM reform in sharing facts with all interested alumni and others. Information required by Larry from MHSAA is that of an alumnus from his Association. One would think a member would have the right to ask questions of their Association...receive courteous replies and responses that are accurate and specific. It's that simple yet somehow you want to continue to deflect, change issues and, bottom line, avoid his questions. Again, that's what I believe is normal by you and yours.
And now you want to insult me by saying I sound like Joe Biden? Okay, fine...but I think you sound like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, President of Iran.
I will continue.
Questions
There is only one set of minutes that have not been posted on the MHSAA website. They will be posted within the next week or so.
Only one set, after the revelation of you not having a February meeting. Kind of a funny way to not have minutes, just don't meet for 2 months.
I do not have any access to MHSAA archives. I certainly have collected information during the past few years. As far as I know all the records are in the Alumni Office. Larry, just walk in and see what is there.
Thank you for the information. I guess even though it took over 2 years to set up MHSAA.org, the archives material still isn't there, makes me wonder why not? Maybe you should be having meetings "every month".
We prioritize our tasks. We are not going to “jump” because you are impatient. If you really want an immediate copy of the DOT, maybe someone like Joe Berning might have it. Eventually, all the corporate records will be posted.
You are the one who said you would try to have it posted on MHSAA.org. I didn't say that, you did. I asked where and or when will this happen. Now you tell me to go to someone else? You have no priorities and only "jump" when J.O. says so.
Your remark about your fellow alumni is very telling. You said, “These apathetic Milts support kumbaya. They stay away from anything that isn't warm and fluffy.“ I expect you to change this. Go for it!
Why would I change this? It is the same thing I have been saying here for 2 years. The truth never has to be changed. Try that in your life?
And Larry, earlier in this thread you were concerned about the costs of communicating with alumni. My suggestion of using Strayer's email addresses would provide you with a no-cost very fast response to see if alumni buy your message. Doesn't get any easier than that!
I am not a member of PHC so why would they give me their information? I am a member of MHSAA and you encouraged me to do this. Now you want to put obstacles in my path. You play dirty Brill.
See how easy it is to answer questions? Try it yourself sometimes Brill.
Larry, if any thread is marked “no comments” you can copy that thread into the “Debate Club” and make all the comments you want to. Try it out, make your remarks and let’s see what happens. You seem to want to debate the presidency of John Rice. That discussion belongs in the “Debate Club.”
S. Lee Strayer, as far as I know you are the only President that PHC has ever had. On a regular basis, using email addresses, PHC sends out its propaganda to alumni and others. As the Chief Executive Officer, demand that your underlings give Larry the same email list that the President of PHC uses. It's that simple!
Now you are sounding like Joe Biden - what you said and what you meant to say.
Whatever email addresses you're referencing I don't have. Bate...bate...bate!
And what I meant was the Forum "website"...assuming that's actually what I said. You and yours did no confirmation to insure your misunderstanding. That, of course, is normal.
Nuf Ced!
There is only one set of minutes that have not been posted on the MHSAA website. They will be posted within the next week or so.
I do not have any access to MHSAA archives. I certainly have collected information during the past few years. As far as I know all the records are in the Alumni Office. Larry, just walk in and see what is there.
We prioritize our tasks. We are not going to “jump” because you are impatient. If you really want an immediate copy of the DOT, maybe someone like Joe Berning might have it. Eventually, all the corporate records will be posted.
Your remark about your fellow alumni is very telling. You said, “These apathetic Milts support kumbaya. They stay away from anything that isn't warm and fluffy.“ I expect you to change this. Go for it!
And Larry, earlier in this thread you were concerned about the costs of communicating with alumni. My suggestion of using Strayer's email addresses would provide you with a no-cost very fast response to see if alumni buy your message. Doesn't get any easier than that!
"Please remove me completely from this website" Nuf Ced!
What "factor"? Please be a bit specific Billy-Bob. Are you saying this exchange should be ended? From my persepective, it seems you've failed to address Larry's specific questions and it certainly seems as though you chose not to address the matter of an alumnus being banned from the ENTIRE MHSAA website.
I would hope you would address both yet, with respect to the latter, please know that I had to clarify what you initiated.
These are not MY words or MY thoughts; rather, Mr. Hershey and his personal physician, Dr. Herman H. Hostetter.