Democracy Countdown

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This is the most interesting thing I've read in a long time. The sad

thing about it, you can see it coming.


I have always heard about this democracy countdown. It is interesting to

see it in print. God help us, not that we deserve it.


How Long Do We Have?


About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new

constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the

University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian

Republic some 2,000 years earlier:


"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a

permanent form of government."


"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that vo ters

discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public

treasury."


"From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who

promise the most benefits from the public treasury (tax payers funds), with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship." (or a socialistic form of government, where the government decides what's good for everyone, no more individual choices)


"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the

beginning of history, has been about 200 years"


"During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the

following sequence:


1. from bondage to spiritual faith;

2. from spiritual faith to great courage;

3. from courage to liberty;

4. from liberty to abundance;

5. from abundance to complacency;

6. from complacency to apathy;

7. from apathy to dependence;

8. from dependence back into bondage"


Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota , points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000

Presidential election:


Number of States won by:

Square miles of land won by:

Democrats : 580,000

Republicans : 2,427,000


Population of counties won by:

Dems : 127 million Reps : 143 million


Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:

Dems : 13.2

Reps : 2.1


Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Reps won

was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great

country.

Dems territory mostly encomp assed those citizens living in

government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government

welfare...

" Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the

" complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of

democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached

the "governmental dependency" phase.


If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal

invaders called illegals and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the

USA in fewer than five years.

If you are in favor of losing the USA as we know it today, then by all

means, delete this message. If you are not, then pass this along to help

everyone realize just how much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the

greatest danger to our freedom.



Thanks for reading.


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I guess I should say thank you.

for repeating my post about Augustus. Cool

I am also confused about the Emperor emphasis. I haven't read anywhere that he was called an emperor.What?

Chuck Welsh wrote:
Caesar Augustus (Octavian), the first Roman Emperor, built Rome into a strong power by avoiding big wars and spending money on public works.

unclelarry 65 wrote:
the conversation. Smiling

Caesar began a civil war in 49 BC from which he became the undisputed master of the Roman world.

After assuming control of government, he began extensive reforms of Roman society and government. He was proclaimed "dictator in perpetuity" (dictator perpetuo), and heavily centralised the bureaucracy of the Republic.

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Still not an emperor

Caesar Augustus (Octavian), the first Roman Emperor, built Rome into a strong power by avoiding big wars and spending money on public works.

unclelarry 65 wrote:
the conversation. Smiling

Caesar began a civil war in 49 BC from which he became the undisputed master of the Roman world.

After assuming control of government, he began extensive reforms of Roman society and government. He was proclaimed "dictator in perpetuity" (dictator perpetuo), and heavily centralised the bureaucracy of the Republic.

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To add to

the conversation. Smiling

Caesar began a civil war in 49 BC from which he became the undisputed master of the Roman world.

After assuming control of government, he began extensive reforms of Roman society and government. He was proclaimed "dictator in perpetuity" (dictator perpetuo), and heavily centralised the bureaucracy of the Republic.

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For the record. . .

. . .Julius Caesar was not a Roman emperor. He was the last ruler of the Roman Republic.

unclelarry 65 wrote:

Julius Caesar, who did kill all the Gauls and then killed all his opposition, only slowed the Roman Empire from total collapse for a few years. It was Caesar Augustus (Octavian) that kept the Empire thriving for another 200 years or more.

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The reason Clay,

I had this post put here was mainly for the last paragraph. Apathy is the disease that must be cured. While there may have been a few errors in the article, it was the apathy thing that bothered me most.

Atkinson, who must be a ultra left wing communist is drinking the kool aid served by most liberals.

Julius Caesar, who did kill all the Gauls and then killed all his opposition, only slowed the Roman Empire from total collapse for a few years. It was Caesar Augustus (Octavian) that kept the Empire thriving for another 200 years or more.

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HOAX!

You should really check this stuff out before you post it. Honestly, at this point in time do you really believe that the Democrats are more likely to deliver us into bondage? I don't think either is likely to, but I would have to give the advantage to the zealot wing of the Republican party. You know, the people that had a wee bit of a hard time learning how to control their bowels as children and now want to control everything because of it.

Snopes Link

I didn't hear any Democrats suggesting anything like the following in 2000. This is from one of those members of the zealot right wing. BTW my own brother is a member of this part of the Republican party and believes whole heartedly what is put forth in this article. Be warned there are a lot more people that share this view than you think.

Author: Philip Atkinson
Source: The Family Security Foundation, Inc.
Date: August 3, 2007

While democratic government is better than dictatorships and theocracies, it has its pitfalls. FSM Contributing Editor Philip Atkinson describes some of the difficulties facing President Bush today.

Conquering the Drawbacks of Democracy

By Philip Atkinson

President George W. Bush is the 43rd President of the United States. He was sworn in for a second term on January 20, 2005 after being chosen by the majority of citizens in America to be president.

Yet in 2007 he is generally despised, with many citizens of Western civilization expressing contempt for his person and his policies, sentiments which now abound on the Internet. This rage at President Bush is an inevitable result of the system of government demanded by the people, which is Democracy.

The inadequacy of Democracy, rule by the majority, is undeniable – for it demands adopting ideas because they are popular, rather than because they are wise. This means that any man chosen to act as an agent of the people is placed in an invidious position: if he commits folly because it is popular, then he will be held responsible for the inevitable result. If he refuses to commit folly, then he will be detested by most citizens because he is frustrating their demands.

When faced with the possible threat that the Iraqis might be amassing terrible weapons that could be used to slay millions of citizens of Western Civilization, President Bush took the only action prudence demanded and the electorate allowed: he conquered Iraq with an army.

This dangerous and expensive act did destroy the Iraqi regime, but left an American army without any clear purpose in a hostile country and subject to attack. If the Army merely returns to its home, then the threat it ended would simply return.

The wisest course would have been for President Bush to use his nuclear weapons to slaughter Iraqis until they complied with his demands, or until they were all dead. Then there would be little risk or expense and no American army would be left exposed. But if he did this, his cowardly electorate would have instantly ended his term of office, if not his freedom or his life.

The simple truth that modern weapons now mean a nation must practice genocide or commit suicide. Israel provides the perfect example. If the Israelis do not raze Iran, the Iranians will fulfill their boast and wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Yet Israel is not popular, and so is denied permission to defend itself. In the same vein, President Bush cannot do what is necessary for the survival of Americans. He cannot use the nation's powerful weapons. All he can do is try and discover a result that will be popular with Americans.

As there appears to be no sensible result of the invasion of Iraq that will be popular with his countrymen other than retreat, President Bush is reviled; he has become another victim of Democracy.

By elevating popular fancy over truth, Democracy is clearly an enemy of not just truth, but duty and justice, which makes it the worst form of government. President Bush must overcome not just the situation in Iraq, but democratic government.

However, President Bush has a valuable historical example that he could choose to follow.

When the ancient Roman general Julius Caesar was struggling to conquer ancient Gaul, he not only had to defeat the Gauls, but he also had to defeat his political enemies in Rome who would destroy him the moment his tenure as consul (president) ended.

Caesar pacified Gaul by mass slaughter; he then used his successful army to crush all political opposition at home and establish himself as permanent ruler of ancient Rome. This brilliant action not only ended the personal threat to Caesar, but ended the civil chaos that was threatening anarchy in ancient Rome – thus marking the start of the ancient Roman Empire that gave peace and prosperity to the known world.

If President Bush copied Julius Caesar by ordering his army to empty Iraq of Arabs and repopulate the country with Americans, he would achieve immediate results: popularity with his military; enrichment of America by converting an Arabian Iraq into an American Iraq (therefore turning it from a liability to an asset); and boost American prestiege while terrifying American enemies.

He could then follow Caesar's example and use his newfound popularity with the military to wield military power to become the first permanent president of America, and end the civil chaos caused by the continually squabbling Congress and the out-of-control Supreme Court.

President Bush can fail in his duty to himself, his country, and his God, by becoming “ex-president” Bush or he can become “President-for-Life” Bush: the conqueror of Iraq, who brings sense to the Congress and sanity to the Supreme Court. Then who would be able to stop Bush from emulating Augustus Caesar and becoming ruler of the world? For only an America united under one ruler has the power to save humanity from the threat of a new Dark Age wrought by terrorists armed with nuclear weapons.

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I was hoping there would be

a better response to this post. Apathy runs wild everywhere in this country.

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Bob, you have the audacity

to talk about open minds when you are the most closed minded old fart I have ever seen.

unc

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...for open minds.

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So much...

...for open minds.

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Excellent!

Thanks, Unc! I am going to print this out to show to my husband.